MGTOW main thesis is the self validating man. In a nutshell is a male-centric perspective on the topic of meaning and actualization.
Incel thesis is validation has to be external. Incels call it "ascension" when a woman selects you, and incels place on women the burden of validating men. Women are thus charged with the responsibility of making men social, educate them, care for them, turn men into "alpha".
The idea of being alpha is a woman accepts you and allows you to be alpha. This is inside of an incel gynocentric perspective.
MGTOW instead refused to be like this.
And inside every single incel from .is there is a feminist gynocentrist, this is the core reason of their deep hatred.
Incels hate MGTOW, not for the superficial reasons they will tell you, they hate simply the self validating man. ANd they hate even more when the self validating man succeeds. Because the self validating man will demonstrate that another way is possible, another life is functional, another world can exist other than gynocracy.
Deep reason why incels hate MGTOW
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Yes I was pursuing it. I entered various MGTOW communities I was like this at the beginning "hey im incel , which is same as MGTOW"SonOfElliotRodger wrote: 21 Feb 2026, 11:00 I think an alliance can be formed between incels and MGTOW
SLAM (sound of the door closing on my face), they banned me and they explain how "different" it is
And then I try and try again, until I found some MGTOW willing to lemme explain. And yeah well I was able to be accepted in some MGTOW spaces with these differences I explained.
But usually the go ban me and thats about it.
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If only MGTOW realized that incels and them are more similar than they assume.Sustacel250 wrote: 21 Feb 2026, 13:07Yes I was pursuing it. I entered various MGTOW communities I was like this at the beginning "hey im incel , which is same as MGTOW"SonOfElliotRodger wrote: 21 Feb 2026, 11:00 I think an alliance can be formed between incels and MGTOW
SLAM (sound of the door closing on my face), they banned me and they explain how "different" it is
And then I try and try again, until I found some MGTOW willing to lemme explain. And yeah well I was able to be accepted in some MGTOW spaces with these differences I explained.
But usually the go ban me and thats about it.
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Theres some communication. Sandman visited every single incel movement for example, he listened to others perspectives. But sandman is a non-normie who is curious, a cope of his is to do city exploration.SonOfElliotRodger wrote: 21 Feb 2026, 13:30 If only MGTOW realized that incels and them are more similar than they assume.
Majority of normies instead come with fixed beliefs is rare you can express an opinion.
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Sandman hes a rare example and generally more receptive of the black pill a lot of his propaganda aligns with ours.Sustacel250 wrote: 21 Feb 2026, 13:54Theres some communication. Sandman visited every single incel movement for example, he listened to others perspectives. But sandman is a non-normie who is curious, a cope of his is to do city exploration.SonOfElliotRodger wrote: 21 Feb 2026, 13:30 If only MGTOW realized that incels and them are more similar than they assume.
Majority of normies instead come with fixed beliefs is rare you can express an opinion.
I don't consider him or any red piller to be a normie. Red pillars have their own category. Remember we can be flexible and create our own categories.
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I agree, sandman is curious. He uses a roboto voice on purpose because he wishes to not be identified. Also hes incel asf.SonOfElliotRodger wrote: 21 Feb 2026, 15:39 Sandman hes a rare example and generally more receptive of the black pill a lot of his propaganda aligns with ours.
I don't consider him or any red piller to be a normie. Red pillars have their own category. Remember we can be flexible and create our own categories.
Instead I disagree about redpill, I think is very very normie. But im sure alot of exceptions exist and lots of people arent normie at all. Overall I merely disagree with the redpill, so if someone follows it Im not condemning him for doing that, its simply the idea I find wrong. Of course we have a lot of things to share in common. We should probably try to build relationships based on what we agree on, which is a lot. And work out the things we disagree about.
But im convinced the amount of topics we agree on is greater than the things that separate us.
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