Praying to Allah means being a man's bitch

[Vincent]

This is probably going to be my most controversial take, especially on this forum. But when you think about it, if you pray to Allah it just means that you're now another man's bitch. In Islam's case, you are now the bitch of Mohammed. You will do as he said, and follow his commands. After all, it is just his sayings which were written down, that you follow now. So you follow another man's orders instead of just doing whatever the hell you want.

And if you think that it wasn't Mohammed's words, and Allah was "talking through him", then you got fooled by another man. Anyone can make up shit like that.

I think the ultimate power is not to follow anyone, regardless if it's Allah, God, Jesus, Mohammed, the church, politicians, feminists, whoever. Just do whatever the fuck you want. That is power.

[General Alek]

The 3 most senior staff members here are muslims btw

[Supreme Misogynist]

And if you think that it wasn't Mohammed's words, and Allah was "talking through him", then you got fooled by another man.

I believe every authentic prophet receives revelations from God but those revelations are distorted to an extent due to human limitations (culture, language. etc.). All authentic religions are universal in their message and suitable for teaching, but they are not the absolute truth. Truth is ultimately unknowable to us. We can only see fragments of it through the light of revelation (be it in the form of a religion or a philosophy).

Anyone can make up shit like that.

There are only two people in the entire history of humanity who gathered more than 2 billion followers through their teachings: Jesus and Mohammed. It's not a common phenomenon at all.

I think the ultimate power is not to follow anyone, regardless if it's Allah, God, Jesus, Mohammed, the church, politicians, feminists, whoever. Just do whatever the fuck you want. That is power.

Ultimate freedom can only be obtained through absolute power and only God has that kind of power. All remaining creatures are just slaves to varying degrees. Humans are no exception to this. Whether we like it or not, we are all slaves to something and seek salvation from it. If that something is not God, it will most likely end up being the desires of the flesh. Which option sounds less insulting to you?

[Vincent]

The 3 most senior staff members here are muslims btw

yes i know, which is why i said most controversial / most offensive post.
i guess it's time to test the limits then
you know what, actually, who cares. i say what i think, and if i can't anymore i'll go somewhere else

[Vincent]

And if you think that it wasn't Mohammed's words, and Allah was "talking through him", then you got fooled by another man.

All authentic religions are universal in their message

Every religious person thinks their religion is authentic. It doesn't make you special that you think yours is authentic, all religious people think that. They also aren't universal at all, they are vastly different and mutually exclusive.

Anyone can make up shit like that.

There are only two people in the entire history of humanity who gathered more than 2 billion followers through their teachings: Jesus and Mohammed. It's not a common phenomenon at all.

2 billion is just a random number that has absolutely no meaning at all. It's extremely common that huge masses of people get convinced to believe very retarded things, it happens all the time. The majority of people in Italy used to think a guy in the sky is throwing bolts down when there is thunder.

I think the ultimate power is not to follow anyone, regardless if it's Allah, God, Jesus, Mohammed, the church, politicians, feminists, whoever. Just do whatever the fuck you want. That is power.

Ultimate freedom can only be obtained through absolute power and only God has that kind of power.

For being so powerful he needs a lot of help from mere mortals though, it seems like he can't do shit on his own. He constantly needs some mujahidin to kill some infidel, because for some reason big old Allah is too weak for doing it himself. And then still, he fails, as Israel is now stronger than ever before. What kind of weak god is that? His followers are many and they can be strong, yes. But why does he himself never do shit? What's the point of an almighty Allah that never does anything with his power?
Anyone can say they are super duper powerful and then just say they never use their power. Anyone can make shit like that up. It's all a buch of bullshit man. Power that is never used is meaningless, completely meaningless.

All remaining creatures are just slaves to varying degrees. Humans are no exception to this. Whether we like it or not, we are all slaves to something and seek salvation from it. If that something is not God, it will most likely end up being the desires of the flesh. Which option sounds less insulting to you?

I don't care. I just do whatever I like to do. Why should I care?

[VH911]

And if you think that it wasn't Mohammed's words, and Allah was "talking through him", then you got fooled by another man.

All authentic religions are universal in their message

Every religious person thinks their religion is authentic. It doesn't make you special that you think yours is authentic, all religious people think that. They also aren't universal at all, they are vastly different and mutually exclusive.

Anyone can make up shit like that.

There are only two people in the entire history of humanity who gathered more than 2 billion followers through their teachings: Jesus and Mohammed. It's not a common phenomenon at all.

2 billion is just a random number that has absolutely no meaning at all. It's extremely common that huge masses of people get convinced to believe very retarded things, it happens all the time. The majority of people in Italy used to think a guy in the sky is throwing bolts down when there is thunder.

I think the ultimate power is not to follow anyone, regardless if it's Allah, God, Jesus, Mohammed, the church, politicians, feminists, whoever. Just do whatever the fuck you want. That is power.

Ultimate freedom can only be obtained through absolute power and only God has that kind of power.

For being so powerful he needs a lot of help from mere mortals though, it seems like he can't do shit on his own. He constantly needs some mujahidin to kill some infidel, because for some reason big old Allah is too weak for doing it himself. And then still, he fails, as Israel is now stronger than ever before. What kind of weak god is that? His followers are many and they can be strong, yes. But why does he himself never do shit? What's the point of an almighty Allah that never does anything with his power?
Anyone can say they are super duper powerful and then just say they never use their power. Anyone can make shit like that up. It's all a buch of bullshit man. Power that is never used is meaningless, completely meaningless.

All remaining creatures are just slaves to varying degrees. Humans are no exception to this. Whether we like it or not, we are all slaves to something and seek salvation from it. If that something is not God, it will most likely end up being the desires of the flesh. Which option sounds less insulting to you?

I don't care. I just do whatever I like to do. Why should I care?

[Darth_aurelius]

The 3 most senior staff members here are muslims btw

And the fact that this thread hasn't been deleted, or that we haven't at least deleted his despicably blasphemous initial comment, is an eloquent and inspiring testament to the strength of our commitment to absolute freedom of expression and avoiding what the US Supreme Court has referred to as an estrangement of the marketplace of ideas.

All that notwithstanding, when I finally get a day off and have the time to engage with matters of substance here on our forums, I am going to administer a proper rhetorical beatdown of Vincent for his impudent insinuations and infidel intimations.

[Darth_aurelius]

This is probably going to be my most controversial take, especially on this forum. But when you think about it, if you pray to Allah it just means that you're now another man's bitch. In Islam's case, you are now the bitch of Mohammed. You will do as he said, and follow his commands. After all, it is just his sayings which were written down, that you follow now. So you follow another man's orders instead of just doing whatever the hell you want.

And if you think that it wasn't Mohammed's words, and Allah was "talking through him", then you got fooled by another man. Anyone can make up shit like that.

I think the ultimate power is not to follow anyone, regardless if it's Allah, God, Jesus, Mohammed, the church, politicians, feminists, whoever. Just do whatever the fuck you want. That is power.

While I don't have the time to indulge in a proper theologically informed refutation of your remarks as I will have to leave for work soon, I will just make a few general observations concerning what I find to be your spurious assertions.

Unless you are a true devotee of Nietzsche, and I rarely find any man who can actually logically reconcile his own teachings with the nature of our existence, then you can't possibly claim that it is maximally advantageous for either an individual man or society at large for each person to strive to attain independence from a broader social construct. This is antithetical to the ideology of every great and worthy revolutionary force that has arisen in the history of the world and which have collectively animated the progress of civilization.

Nazi Germany necessitated willing and obedient servants to the will of the Fuhrer. So too was it the case with Soviet Communism which, despite being diametrically opposed to Nazism, was a patriarchal construct and thus honorable. This is likewise true in any noble enterprise, from the Roman Empire all the way to the current manifestations of greatness in the form of the IPF.

Additionally, the will of God is not to be equated to the will of man as God is a transcendent, omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient being who is not constrained by the same natural laws that are intrinsic to the world of men. The Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon Him, ventriloquized and transliterated the will of God to the people of the Arabian Peninsula, thereby enlightening them to a higher moral truth and likewise simultaneously providing them with both a liberation theology as well as a force multiplier for conquest and the enslavement of their enemies.

[Sumzero]

yeah bro it's much worse to follow prophet mohammad's teachings of modesty and submission to God than atheism in western countries where every sub 7 male is cuckholded by feminist ran through wives on a daily basis while the rest of the men are left as incels.

Your jewish insults to islam will fall on deaf ears here. You are lucky that our captain belives in true freedom of speech

if you hate islam I would encourage you to reconsider your affiliation to this movement and join incels.is or reddit in general

[Darth_aurelius]

yeah bro it's much worse to follow prophet mohammad's teachings of modesty and submission to God than atheism in western countries where every sub 7 male is cuckholded by feminist ran through wives on a daily basis while and the rest of the men are left as incels.

Your jewish insults to islam will fall on deaf ears here. You are lucky that our captain belives in true freedom of speech

if you hate islam I would encourage you to reconsider your affiliation to this movement and join incels.is or reddit in general

I can't honestly be brought to believe that anyone can make these sorts of assertions in intellectual honesty and with good faith as they seem to be so extraordinarily flawed both logically as well as historically. I would further offer the conjecture that Vincent is merely testing our professed commitment to absolute and unrestricted freedom of speech and is not seriously advocating for these outlandish and blasphemous propositions.

[Vincent]

I don't hate Islam. From all the religions I think I like it most, maybe except some Japanese religious beliefs. But, I don't like the idea to submit to anyone, be it Muhammad or Allah or anyone else. I think then you're just a bitch of someone else. I truly believe this stuff, I am not bullshitting. I think all religions are on a scale from a bit retarded to very retarded.
Also I don't really care if it's allowed to say it or not. As I said, if it isn't I'll just go somewhere else.

[Darth_aurelius]

I don't hate Islam. From all the religions I think I like it most, maybe except some Japanese religious beliefs. But, I don't like the idea to submit to anyone, be it Muhammad or Allah or anyone else. I think then you're just a bitch of someone else. I truly believe this stuff, I am not bullshitting. I think all religions are on a scale from a bit retarded to very retarded.
Also I don't really care if it's allowed to say it or not. As I said, if it isn't I'll just go somewhere else.

I am not sure if this is a response to my points above and if it is, it is very poorly constructed as you failed to engage with any of the substantive arguments that I offered in refutation of your own rather specious assertions. I recommend proceeding in a more systematic manner and annunciating the actual points that you are engaging with followed by a presentation of your position as it contradicts whatever has been suggested in opposition.

Additionally, there is no need for you to go elsewhere as I am the ultimate authority on these forums, after almighty Allah of course who reigns supreme here as well, and as such, I will never ban anyone for there opinions. As I am so find of quoting the great Voltaire who once said that "while I may vehemently disagree with what you say, I shall defend your right to say it to the death". This could well be my epitaph.

[Vincent]

I am not sure if this is a response to my points above and if it is, it is very poorly constructed as you failed to engage with any of the substantive arguments that I offered in refutation of your own rather specious assertions.

There is just not so much to discuss. We don't need to dive into some super complicated philosophical concepts for this.

It's as simple as: I want to do what I want to do, and I don't want some other authority, be it Islam, Christianity or whatever else, to tell me what I should do. And I think that that is a much more powerful position to hold than to bow in front of some kind of authority, be it religious or worldly or whatever else.

Anyone can claim that they are talking Allah's words. I can also do it. But I am a bit late, unfortunately.
It's kind of... the cheapest trick in the book. Look, look, here: You need to do X, because, because... god told me so. See, it's not me who wants that you do X, no, it's god. Also, if you do X, you will be rewarded... after you die... trust me bruh.

[Vincent]

I also wanna claim that Allah is talking through me and get bitches that way.

[Darth_aurelius]

I am not sure if this is a response to my points above and if it is, it is very poorly constructed as you failed to engage with any of the substantive arguments that I offered in refutation of your own rather specious assertions.

There is just not so much to discuss. We don't need to dive into some super complicated philosophical concepts for this.

It's as simple as: I want to do what I want to do, and I don't want some other authority, be it Islam, Christianity or whatever else, to tell me what I should do. And I think that that is a much more powerful position to hold than to bow in front of some kind of authority, be it religious or worldly or whatever else.

Anyone can claim that they are talking Allah's words. I can also do it. But I am a bit late, unfortunately.
It's kind of... the cheapest trick in the book. Look, look, here: You need to do X, because, because... god told me so. See, it's not me who wants that you do X, no, it's god. Also, if you do X, you will be rewarded... after you die... trust me bruh.

As a former atheist and as someone who once struggled with the plausibility and general coherence of religious texts, upon which faith itself is predicated, I can understand and appreciate the merit of the proposition which you espouse here. I still find all religions to be intellectually incoherent in that they presuppose supernatural phenomena which is not attested to in any empirically verifiable manner but is rather presented as revealed truth which must be embraced on pain of everlasting damnation. As a trained real world attorney, albeit not a practicing one, I have been conditioned to look for the vulnerabilities in any argument or assertion and then exploit them by accentuating how problematic they are or how incompatible they may be with a rational conception of the facts. This analytical exercise is always exceedingly easy insofar as religious texts are concerned.

All that notwithstanding, there is a reason we call it faith, since people choose to believe in a particular corpus of principles even in the absence of any confirmatory evidence. I personally cannot attest to the veracity of every claim made by the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament or the Holy Quran but what I can say categorically is that if I subscribe to the moral precepts which are elucidated through the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon Him, I can aspire to live a more righteous, sanctified and honorable existence.

Your point about self determinism is fair but it is disingenuous in the sense that it fails to recognize that great men have conformed humanity to their will and the forces of history are inescapable for all of us. You may repudiate the Nazi Party as followers or sycophants of a megalomaniacal autocrat but the truth is that they were able to achieve something more profound and of greater significance then any other entity before or since their existence (e.g., the eradication of your jewish kinsfolk). So too could it be said of great men with inspiring visions for the future such as Napoleon, Octavian Augustus, Charlemagne, Saddam Hussein, Stalin, Elliot Roger and, to a much lesser extent, myself.

[VH911]

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[KingDavid]

This is probably going to be my most controversial take, especially on this forum. But when you think about it, if you pray to Allah it just means that you're now another man's bitch. In Islam's case, you are now the bitch of Mohammed. You will do as he said, and follow his commands. After all, it is just his sayings which were written down, that you follow now. So you follow another man's orders instead of just doing whatever the hell you want.

And if you think that it wasn't Mohammed's words, and Allah was "talking through him", then you got fooled by another man. Anyone can make up shit like that.

I think the ultimate power is not to follow anyone, regardless if it's Allah, God, Jesus, Mohammed, the church, politicians, feminists, whoever. Just do whatever the fuck you want. That is power.

Cringe bro, being an atheist nihilist is never the way. The doctrine you’re describing is satanism. You’re following Satan whether you know it or not. I’d rather you be a Christian or a Muslim.

[Sumzero]

The worship of the self is precisely what satanism preaches

as woshipping the self, prioritizing your own desires above all others, logically leads to the nescessity to seek pleasure and carnality, and to satiate the flesh

this leads to the proliferation of the following behaviors:

1. Wrath
2. Envy
3. Gluttony
4. Greed
5. Lust
6. Pride
7. Sloth

you are certainly a product of an indivialistic thinking society
but have you ever questioned what society would look like when a majority of people hold the same secular, self serving beliefs as you?
To place themselves, their desires, above all other things; deciding to chase these very aformentioned list of behaviors?

you end up with a society identical to a modern, secular westernized society

the culture of the collective will always impact the individual,
that is why you are incel.
its not a single player game, you are in a public lobby bud

it is directly your line of thinking that western societies follow, which results in your inceldom
because everyone prioritizes and worships themselves
and this affects culture

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why do modern women do onlyfans?
to satiate their desire for greed, for their lust, and their pride

why do women dress provocatively?
to satiate their lust, and their pride

why do women do porn?
to satiate their desire for greed, for their lust, and their pride

why do women cheat?
to satiate their lust

why do women chase chad?
to satiate their lust

why do women divorce rape men?
greed.

they think just like you buddy,
they are slaves to their own desires because they hold themselves above all other things. satanists.
you said it yourself: they are "doing whatever the hell they want"
and it directly affects you

Sinning feels like freedom
until you try to stop.

because in the end you are not God, and the world is still beholdent to HIS rules

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so I ask you,
if your line of thinking leads to secular societies
and secular societies lead to liberalism and feminism
and liberalism and feminism leads to incels and promiscuity
and promiscuity results in sub 7 men being cheated on and cuckholded by chad

who is the real man's bitch?
you are supporting your own inceldom...

[KingDavid]

The worship of the self is precisely what satanism preaches

as woshipping the self, prioritizing your own desires above all others, logically leads to the nescessity to seek pleasure and carnality, and to satiate the flesh

this leads to the proliferation of the following behaviors:

1. Wrath
2. Envy
3. Gluttony
4. Greed
5. Lust
6. Pride
7. Sloth

you are certainly a product of an indivialistic thinking society
but have you ever questioned what society would look like when a majority of people hold the same secular, self serving beliefs as you?
To place themselves, their desires, above all other things; deciding to chase these very aformentioned list of behaviors?

you end up with a society identical to a modern, secular westernized society

the culture of the collective will always impact the individual,
that is why you are incel.
its not a single player game, you are in a public lobby bud

it is directly your line of thinking that western societies follow, which results in your inceldom
because everyone prioritizes and worships themselves
and this affects culture

-

why do modern women do onlyfans?
to satiate their desire for greed, for their lust, and their pride

why do women dress provocatively?
to satiate their lust, and their pride

why do women do porn?
to satiate their desire for greed, for their lust, and their pride

why do women cheat?
to satiate their lust

why do women chase chad?
to satiate their lust

why do women divorce rape men?
greed.

they think just like you bud, they are slaves to their own desires because they hold themselves above all other things. satanists.

Sinning feels like freedom
until you try to stop.

because in the end you are not God, and the world is still beholdent to HIS rules

-

so I ask you,
if your line of thinking leads to secular societies
and secular societies lead to liberalism and feminism
and liberalism and feminism leads to incels and promiscuity
and promiscuity leads to sub 7s being cuckholded and cheated on by chad

Who is the real man's bitch?
You are supporting your own inceldom...

Well said comrade

[Sumzero]

For being so powerful he needs a lot of help from mere mortals though, it seems like he can't do shit on his own. He constantly needs some mujahidin to kill some infidel, because for some reason big old Allah is too weak for doing it himself. And then still, he fails, as Israel is now stronger than ever before. What kind of weak god is that? His followers are many and they can be strong, yes. But why does he himself never do shit? What's the point of an almighty Allah that never does anything with his power?
Anyone can say they are super duper powerful and then just say they never use their power. Anyone can make shit like that up. It's all a buch of bullshit man. Power that is never used is meaningless, completely meaningless.

in relation to this,
have you considered that maybe God does not care what happens in the world?
If he wanted things to be perfect, and everyone to submit to him, he would not have given us free will
the power to do whatever we want (within mortal limits)
that is because God allows evil to exist in the world on purpose so that he may see who is tempted and who will still remain loyal to him

all he did was send us the message, whether we choose to follow it is up to the individual

truth is objective, there is a wrong (ineffective, dysfunctional) way of doing things, and a right (funcional, productive) way of doing things

in the eternal afterlife, he will select the truest of belivers, those who proved that their faith in him prevailed even when given the choice to cast it aside within their time in the mortal realm.
he made this world to test his creation, so that he may select those who were most loyal to him during their lives, and so that he can reward them

I belive perhaps God did this out of sheer desire for companionship, to be eternally surrounded by his most loyal of creations. But that is only for Allah to know

regardless of the reason, the objective fact is that religion produces better societies, and better lives.
and that societies that engage with the destructive behaviors (the sins) produce suffering and decay
that is why islam is spreading so fast
because it is the only proper way to live
all other ways are funcionally ineffective, and through their decay, will be consumed by islam

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another point is that islam is not exclusive, it does not assert that other religions are fully incorrect, nor does it say that for simply beliving in another religion you will automatically be punished.

Qur’an 2:62
“Indeed, those who believed, and those who were Jews, and Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous deeds — will have their reward with their Lord. No fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.”

this is unlike any other religion, islam is simply God's final message to humanity, but that does not mean the previous messages, although warped through time and alteration, do not contain some semblance of truth, even if diluted.