Blackpill Theory Discussion Megathread

[Supreme Misogynist]

After having a discussion with Darth Aurelius under one of General Alek's recent posts, I just realized how little Blackpill theory is being discussed in this forum. Most users seem to use this forum just to vent about their problems. I couldn't find any threads dedicated entirely to theoretical discussions. As a result, I decided to make this Megathread where you can discuss all aspects of the Blackpill theory.

I hope this thread succeeds. I want it to become a better version of Must-Read section of .is. A source that new members who are not well-versed in theoretical side of things can consult to increase their knowledge.

[General Alek]

in the incel church, the Blackpill is like the Holy Spirit, and ER is like Christ

[Darth_aurelius]

in the incel church, the Blackpill is like the Holy Spirit, and ER is like Christ

Would that make you a High Priest or even a Monsignor and me a Cardinal Archbishop?

[Darth_aurelius]

After having a discussion with Darth Aurelius under one of General Alek's recent posts, I just realized how little Blackpill theory is being discussed in this forum. Most users seem to use this forum just to vent about their problems. I couldn't find any threads dedicated entirely to theoretical discussions. As a result, I decided to make this Megathread where you can discuss all aspects of the Blackpill theory.

I hope this thread succeeds. I want it to become a better version of Must-Read section of .is. A source that new members who are not well-versed in theoretical side of things can consult to increase their knowledge.

Good idea and while I thoroughly approve of your efforts to elucidate the nuances of this particular ideology which is so inextricably connected to the plight of our comrades, I have personally been trying to sanitize our movement and render it as palatable to normative sensibilities as is possible. Hence, I don't delve into much discussion of Blackpill theorem, lest it cause undue trepidation in the minds of the normies who we will eventually need to gain as supporters if ever we want to achieve political ascendancy and consummate the many noble aspirations which our movement has embraced.

[Supreme Misogynist]

After having a discussion with Darth Aurelius under one of General Alek's recent posts, I just realized how little Blackpill theory is being discussed in this forum. Most users seem to use this forum just to vent about their problems. I couldn't find any threads dedicated entirely to theoretical discussions. As a result, I decided to make this Megathread where you can discuss all aspects of the Blackpill theory.

I hope this thread succeeds. I want it to become a better version of Must-Read section of .is. A source that new members who are not well-versed in theoretical side of things can consult to increase their knowledge.

Good idea and while I thoroughly approve of your efforts to elucidate the nuances of this particular ideology which is so inextricably connected to the plight of our comrades, I have personally been trying to sanitize our movement and render it as palatable to normative sensibilities as is possible. Hence, I don't delve into much discussion of Blackpill theorem, lest it cause undue trepidation in the minds of the normies who we will eventually need to gain as supporters if ever we want to achieve political ascendancy and consummate the many noble aspirations which our movement has embraced.

I understand that. I'm not planning to post anything too radical in this thread. It'll be mostly just scientific data and philosophical arguments. I think only the most bluepilled normies who'd never support this movement in the first place would be offended by that.

[Darth_aurelius]

After having a discussion with Darth Aurelius under one of General Alek's recent posts, I just realized how little Blackpill theory is being discussed in this forum. Most users seem to use this forum just to vent about their problems. I couldn't find any threads dedicated entirely to theoretical discussions. As a result, I decided to make this Megathread where you can discuss all aspects of the Blackpill theory.

I hope this thread succeeds. I want it to become a better version of Must-Read section of .is. A source that new members who are not well-versed in theoretical side of things can consult to increase their knowledge.

Good idea and while I thoroughly approve of your efforts to elucidate the nuances of this particular ideology which is so inextricably connected to the plight of our comrades, I have personally been trying to sanitize our movement and render it as palatable to normative sensibilities as is possible. Hence, I don't delve into much discussion of Blackpill theorem, lest it cause undue trepidation in the minds of the normies who we will eventually need to gain as supporters if ever we want to achieve political ascendancy and consummate the many noble aspirations which our movement has embraced.

I understand that. I'm not planning to post anything too radical in this thread. It'll be mostly just scientific data and philosophical arguments. I think only the most bluepilled normies who'd never support this movement in the first place would be offended by that.

Excellent and that was what I had mostly surmised but I had to just point out our official policies as they pertain to educational efforts and the propagation of Blackpill ideological precepts. As you say, those who are offended by the mere discussion of these concepts are unworthy of even affiliating with this cause and so there is very little opportunity cost associated with such a theoretical analysis of this important philosophical outlook.

[Supreme Misogynist]

Good idea and while I thoroughly approve of your efforts to elucidate the nuances of this particular ideology which is so inextricably connected to the plight of our comrades, I have personally been trying to sanitize our movement and render it as palatable to normative sensibilities as is possible. Hence, I don't delve into much discussion of Blackpill theorem, lest it cause undue trepidation in the minds of the normies who we will eventually need to gain as supporters if ever we want to achieve political ascendancy and consummate the many noble aspirations which our movement has embraced.

I understand that. I'm not planning to post anything too radical in this thread. It'll be mostly just scientific data and philosophical arguments. I think only the most bluepilled normies who'd never support this movement in the first place would be offended by that.

Excellent and that was what I had mostly surmised but I had to just point out our official policies as they pertain to educational efforts and the propagation of Blackpill ideological precepts. As you say, those who are offended by the mere discussion of these concepts are unworthy of even affiliating with this cause and so there is very little opportunity cost associated with such a theoretical analysis of this important philosophical outlook.

Can you pin this thread? It would be very ironic if the "Blackpill Megathread" got lost among other posts in a blackpilled forum.

[Darth_aurelius]

I understand that. I'm not planning to post anything too radical in this thread. It'll be mostly just scientific data and philosophical arguments. I think only the most bluepilled normies who'd never support this movement in the first place would be offended by that.

Excellent and that was what I had mostly surmised but I had to just point out our official policies as they pertain to educational efforts and the propagation of Blackpill ideological precepts. As you say, those who are offended by the mere discussion of these concepts are unworthy of even affiliating with this cause and so there is very little opportunity cost associated with such a theoretical analysis of this important philosophical outlook.

Can you pin this thread? It would be very ironic if the "Blackpill Megathread" got lost among other posts in a blackpilled forum.

Well unlike the filthy fucking degenerate simp fat link over on .is who pins the most irrelevant, meaningless and frivolous content merely in furtherance of his own efforts towards self-aggrandizement, we have very particular requirements that need to be satisfied prior to the pinning of any thread. And I am saying this not to in any way demean your good faith efforts to bring attention to this critical component of the incel sub culture but merely to inform you and anyone else who may be reading this that very few threads will qualify as being sufficiently edifying or essential in their content to warrant pinning. Also, I try to ensure that we don't clutter the forums with pinned threads so I will have to first select a currently pinned thread for removal and relegate it to standard topic status prior to elevating this thread, which I will agree to do by the way.

[Supreme Misogynist]

Thank you for pinning the thread. @Darth_aurelius

[Darth_aurelius]

Thank you for pinning the thread. @Darth_aurelius

You're welcome comrade and as you say, there are few topics more worthy of the collective consideration of the group then a forthright discussion of the Blackpill in all of its ideological nuance.

[Supreme Misogynist]

One of the reasons why the blackpill theory is not taken seriously is that it is considered to be an idea without predecessors, invented by a bunch of lonely teenagers on the internet. To challenge this perception, I have compiled a series of quotes that clearly prove the existence of a “proto-blackpill”.

"Women are accustomed to creep into dark places, and when dragged out into the light they will exert their utmost powers of resistance ... therefore, as I said before, in most places they will not endure to have the truth spoken without raising a tremendous outcry."
-Plato

“We laugh at inferior or ugly individuals, because we feel a joy at feeling superior to them.”
-Aristotle

"Someone who is friendless, childless, powerless, weak, and ugly will simply not be able to find many opportunities for virtuous activity over a long period of time, and what little he can accomplish will not be of great merit. To some extent, then, living well requires good fortune"
-Aristotle

"Women are unfinished men."
-Aristotle

"As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power."
-Thomas Aquinas

"I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’”
-Muhammad (Sahih al-Bukhari)

"Because women in truth exist entirely for the propagation of the race, and their destiny ends here, they live more for the species than for the individual, and in their hearts take the affairs of the species more seriously than those of the individual."
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"A superior woman is still infinitely inferior to that which, at least potentially, exists in the lowest of men."
-Otto Weininger

"Our age is not only the most Jewish, but also the most feminine of all ages. It is an age of anarchism of the purest kind, in which neither the state nor the law has any value at all. An age of the shallowest of all conceivable interpretations of history (historical materialism), an age of Capitalism and an age of Marxism, an age in which history, life, science, everything conceivable has become nothing but economy and technology; an age which has declared that genius is a form of madness, but which, as it turns out, no longer has a great artist or a great philosopher; an age in which the lack of originality is at its peak, but in which originality is pursued most feverishly; an age in which the idea of virginity has been replaced by the cult of seduction.

This is an age that not only sanctioned sexual intercourse and turned it into worship, but also made it a duty in the practice of real life; ...not as a way of forgetting, as the Romans and Greeks did at the feasts of Bacchus, but in order to find oneself, to make sense of one's own gloomy boredom."
-Otto Weininger

[Supreme Misogynist]

More "proto-blackpill" quotes:

"We treat women too well, and in this way have spoiled everything. We have done every wrong by raising them to our level. Truly the Oriental nations have more mind and sense than we in declaring the wife to be the actual property of the husband. In fact nature has made woman our slave ... Woman is given to man that she may bear children ... consequently she is his property."
-Napoleon Bonaparte


"Nothing is more imperious ... than weakness when it knows it is backed by strength; look at women".
-Napoleon Bonaparte


"Women so easily stir a man’s senses and fan the ashes of a dying passion, that if philosophy ever succeeded in introducing this custom [of an unleashed female libido] to any unlucky country…the men, tyrannised over by the women, would at last become their victims, and would be dragged to their death without the least chance of escape."
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau


"From the beginning, nothing has been more alien, repugnant, and hostile to woman than truth—her great art is the lie, her highest concern is mere appearance and beauty"
-Friedrich Nietzsche

[Supreme Misogynist]

"Pill" Theories Summarized:

Bluepill= The idea that the most important quality women seek in a man is a good personality. A lie normies tell themselves because they can't deal with the dark truth of female nature. It can be classified as a mental illness.

Redpill= Bluepill + Soft Looksmaxxing (Gym, Diet, Skincare, etc.)

Blackpill= Closest approximation we have to the truth of human sexual selection.

[Supreme Misogynist]

Scientific Blackpill 101 --- Frequently Used Terms Every Incel Should Know About:

Women-are-wonderful effect= The women-are-wonderful effect is the phenomenon found in psychological and sociological research which suggests that people associate more positive attributes with women when compared to men. This bias reflects an emotional bias toward women as a general case. The phrase was coined by Alice Eagly and Antonio Mladinic in 1994 after finding that both male and female participants tend to assign positive traits to women, with female participants showing a far more pronounced bias.

Hypergamy= Hypergamy (colloquially referred to as "dating up" or "marrying up") is a term used in social science for the act or practice of a person dating or marrying a spouse of higher social status than themselves.

Hybristophilia= Hybristophilia is the phenomenon characterized by sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes. The term hybristophilia is coined by John Money in 1986. Manifestations of hybristophilia include the romanticization of criminals, especially serial killers. Hybristophilia mostly occurs in women.

Briffault's law= The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

Fisherian runaway= Fisherian runaway or runaway selection is a sexual selection mechanism proposed by the mathematical biologist Ronald Fisher in the early 20th century, to account for the evolution of ostentatious male ornamentation by persistent, directional female choice. Fisher developed the theory by assuming genetic correlation between the preference and the ornament, that initially the ornament signalled greater potential fitness (the likelihood of leaving more descendants), so preference for the ornament had a selective advantage. Subsequently, if strong enough, female preference for exaggerated ornamentation in mate selection could be enough to undermine natural selection even when the ornament has become non-adaptive.

r/K selection theory= In ecology, r/K selection theory relates to the selection of combinations of traits in an organism that trade off between quantity and quality of offspring. The focus on either an increased quantity of offspring at the expense of reduced individual parental investment of r-strategists, or on a reduced quantity of offspring with a corresponding increased parental investment of K-strategists, varies widely, seemingly to promote success in particular environments. The concepts of quantity or quality offspring are sometimes referred to as "cheap" or "expensive", a comment on the expendable nature of the offspring and parental commitment made. The stability of the environment can predict if many expendable offspring are made or if fewer offspring of higher quality would lead to higher reproductive success. An unstable environment would encourage the parent to make many offspring, because the likelihood of all (or the majority) of them surviving to adulthood is slim. In contrast, more stable environments allow parents to confidently invest in one offspring because they are more likely to survive to adulthood.

Matthew effect= The Matthew effect, sometimes called the Matthew principle, is the tendency of individuals to accrue social or economic success in proportion to their initial level of popularity, friends, and wealth. It is sometimes summarized by the adage or platitude "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer". Also termed the "Matthew effect of accumulated advantage", taking its name from the Parable of the Talents in the biblical Gospel of Matthew, it was coined by sociologists Robert K. Merton and Harriet Zuckerman in 1968.

Just-world fallacy= The just-world fallacy, or just-world hypothesis, is the cognitive bias that assumes that "people get what they deserve" – that actions will necessarily have morally fair and fitting consequences for the actor. For example, the assumptions that noble actions will eventually be rewarded and evil actions will eventually be punished fall under this fallacy. In other words, the just-world fallacy is the tendency to attribute consequences to—or expect consequences as the result of— either a universal force that restores moral balance or a universal connection between the nature of actions and their results. This belief generally implies the existence of cosmic justice, destiny, divine providence, desert, stability, order, or the anglophone colloquial use of "karma". It is often associated with a variety of fundamental fallacies, especially in regard to rationalizing suffering on the grounds that the sufferers "deserve" it. This is called victim blaming.

Apex Fallacy= The informal fallacy of evaluating a population based only on its apex, its best members.

Pareto principle= The Pareto principle (also known as the 80/20 rule, the law of the vital few and the principle of factor sparsity) states that for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes (the "vital few").

1% rule= In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a general rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an Internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. Variants include the 1–9–90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio), which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content. Similar rules are known in information science; for instance, the 80/20 rule known as the Pareto principle states that 20 percent of a group will produce 80 percent of the activity, regardless of how the activity is defined.

Behavioral sink= "Behavioral sink" is a term invented by ethologist John B. Calhoun to describe a collapse in behavior that can result from overpopulation. The term and concept derive from a series of over-population experiments Calhoun conducted on Norway rats between 1958 and 1962. In the experiments, Calhoun and his researchers created a series of "rat utopias" – enclosed spaces where rats were given unlimited access to food and water, enabling unfettered population growth. Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" in a February 1, 1962, Scientific American article titled "Population Density and Social Pathology" on the rat experiment. He would later perform similar experiments on mice, from 1968 to 1972.

[Tovarishcel]

very good thread

[Supreme Misogynist]

Study: Physical attractiveness more strongly affects social mobility for males than females.

https://doi.org/10.1111/ssqu.13320

[Supreme Misogynist]

Study: Women who are rejected by attractive men become more bitter towards unattractive men.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/1 ... 0615584196

[whitemonster]

The incels wiki has a good collection of blackpill research.
I am not supporting those cucks on the other forum, but the collection of blackpill studies in the incels wiki might be interesting.

https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

[Supreme Misogynist]

Study: Men prefer nice women but women don't prefer nice men.

https://doi.org/10.1177/0146167214543879

[Supreme Misogynist]

Study: Women want tall men more than men want short women.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2012.12.019