Constructive criticism of our movement

[Vincent]

So, I've been looking around here for a bit now. Here is my first impression, the things I like and what I think may be rather counterproductive.

So first what I like. I like the idea of legally changing the current cuck and female dominated order. I like men back in power. I like that incels probably understand more about it than any other group.

I like that we strive to not be pathetic. I like that we have structure, and hierarchy. I like certain strains of Islam, who are still able to control their women (only very few unfortunately). I like that we strive to learn how to defend ourselves. I like that we strive to organize.

I like that a lot of incels aren't agecucks (and fuck those who are). I like that we strive to have solidarity.

Now to the things which I think are rather counter productive. And some of them, I also can't really get on board.

So... I think, if we really would want to gain momentum... the edgyness would need to be turned down. What I mean by that is... if our leader (peace be upon you brother no insult I respect you) is spreading stories about an incel utopia, nazis, concentration camps and Dr. Mengele and SS... and praising them as glorious... I just can't imagine a movement like that really catching on. Maybe I am wrong, who knows. But I can't imagine it. It's just so edgy, that I think even a lot of incels would not join. And I know a lot of incels like nazis. But it's a bit too much, no?

Also... maybe I am in a small minority here. But I actually feel bad for the jews that were killed by the nazis. They were just people like everyone else for the most part. Also a lot of incels among them, no doubt. I don't want to kill jews. I just wanna end female supremacy.

That story of brother Aurelius... it just reads like an internet meme or incel fiction, with all these things like incel ministry, incel protection force, using foids feces for plants fertilizer, the indian with his dirty dick and the revenge fantasies etc. Again it's very edgy.

I think if we really want to be taken seriously, we would have to turn down the edgyness. Otherwise we would just be an internet meme for people to laugh at.

We should never abandon our core values. But... I can't see a movement really getting out of the meme status like that. That's my two cents.

[Darth_aurelius]

So, I've been looking around here for a bit now. Here is my first impression, the things I like and what I think may be rather counterproductive.

So first what I like. I like the idea of legally changing the current cuck and female dominated order. I like men back in power. I like that incels probably understand more about it than any other group.

I like that we strive to not be pathetic. I like that we have structure, and hierarchy. I like certain strains of Islam, who are still able to control their women (only very few unfortunately). I like that we strive to learn how to defend ourselves. I like that we strive to organize.

I like that a lot of incels aren't agecucks (and fuck those who are). I like that we strive to have solidarity.

Now to the things which I think are rather counter productive. And some of them, I also can't really get on board.

So... I think, if we really would want to gain momentum... the edgyness would need to be turned down. What I mean by that is... if our leader (peace be upon you brother no insult I respect you) is spreading stories about an incel utopia, nazis, concentration camps and Dr. Mengele and SS... and praising them as glorious... I just can't imagine a movement like that really catching on. Maybe I am wrong, who knows. But I can't imagine it. It's just so edgy, that I think even a lot of incels would not join. And I know a lot of incels like nazis. But it's a bit too much, no?

Also... maybe I am in a small minority here. But I actually feel bad for the jews that were killed by the nazis. They were just people like everyone else for the most part. Also a lot of incels among them, no doubt. I don't want to kill jews. I just wanna end female supremacy.

That story of brother Aurelius... it just reads like an internet meme or incel fiction, with all these things like incel ministry, incel protection force, using foids feces for plants fertilizer, the indian with his dirty dick and the revenge fantasies etc. Again it's very edgy.

I think if we really want to be taken seriously, we would have to turn down the edgyness. Otherwise we would just be an internet meme for people to laugh at.

We should never abandon our core values. But... I can't see a movement really getting out of the meme status like that. That's my two cents.

Please see below for my response to everything that you said:

[Vincent]

Thank you brother Aurelius. It's amazing that you took the time to record this long recording.
I need to apologize since my response could have been misleading on one part. I don't have anything against the rape fantasies actually. I find them very understandable and I like them in the fantasy novel. I was actually hoping for more of that.

I thought about it again, and I think I mostly don't like the part about Mengele and SS. I know, I know jews in power have done a lot of shit. I just happen to know a lot about that time period and some of the things they have done, Mengele and the SS. And I just feel bad for their victims, especially the children. For example, reportedly Mengele once conjoined two siblings by sewing their bodies together. Oskar Dirlewanger from the SS went into a children's hospital and ordered his men to bayonet the children there, which they did. And I know, a lot of people deny that those things happened. But I happen to believe it, because there are a lot of eyewitness accounts and because it fits into the whole rhetoric and ideology of the nazis back then.
And with children... what have they done? I just can't really get on board glorifying them, sorry.
Maybe I am a small minority for that but that's just how I feel. I feel sorry for them.

[Darth_aurelius]

Thank you brother Aurelius. It's amazing that you took the time to record this long recording.
I need to apologize since I think my response could have been a bit misleading on one part. I don't have anything against the rape fantasies actually. I find them very understandable and I like them in the fantasy novel. I was actually hoping for more of that.

I thought about it again, and I think I mostly don't like the part about Mengele and SS. I know, I know jews in power have done a lot of shit. I just happen to know a lot about that time period and some of the things they have done, Mengele and the SS. And I just feel bad for their victims, especially the children. For example, reportedly Mengele once conjoined two siblings by sewing their bodies together. Oskar Dirlewanger from the SS went into a children's hospital and ordered his men to bayonet the children there, which they did. And I know, a lot of people deny that those things happened. But I happen to believe it, because there are a lot of eyewitness accounts and because it fits into the whole rhetoric and ideology of the nazis back then.
And with children... what have they done? I just can't really get on board glorifying them, sorry.
Maybe I am a small minority for that but that's just how I feel. I feel sorry for them.

My attempt to ameliorate your various concerns:

[Vincent]

Thank you Captain Darth_aurelius. I am impressed by your historical knowledge.
I like the organization, hierarchy and patriarchy in nazism.
I don't know too much about jewish influence worldwide. I know it is a common theme. And there surely is a lot to it. Since a lot of jews are in influential positions.
Nevertheless, when people talked about it it always seemed to be at least partly scapegoating to me, since surely jews can't be blamed for so many things if they are so few. Not sure if Dr. Mengele was really a brilliant pathologist. I still feel bad for what he did with children. And gassing so many civilians...
I don't think people are bad since birth. That would be the nazi ideology, that they are basically evil since birth. It doesn't convince me, biologically speaking it doesn't make sense to me. I would much rather kill bad ideas. Anyway, I understand that you are busy. Thanks for taking the time. We can leave it at that.