One problem I have with Islam

[Vincent]

If I, as a westerner, converted to Islam, there are no immediate benefits to me. It makes no difference to me.
I don't get more women, or money, or anything else. Rather, I isolate myself from others who are mostly christian or atheist.

I see only the negatives: Now I need to pray 5 times a day, eat no pork, don't listen to music, don't drink, and blow a lot of money to travel to mekka. But where are the benefits? It's not like there is some female sex slave waiting for me.

Maybe if some islamic militia was nearby and about to take over I would convert, because at least then there is some benefit to doing it. But as a westerner, I really don't see any benefits.

[Supremo gentiluomo]

It's not like there is some female sex slave waiting for me.

Wrong. There definitely is.
Probably not as attractive as you expect, and not in your close surrounding. But there quite a lot of modest and humble single muslim females who dream to marry a righteous muslin man

[Vincent]

It's not like there is some female sex slave waiting for me.

Wrong. There definitely is.
Probably not as attractive as you expect, and not in your close surrounding. But there quite a lot of modest and humble single muslim females who dream to marry a righteous muslin man

And you have one?

[Orzmund]

You're better off remaining a person of no political, religious, or ideological distinction; or, you could keep your beliefs private. People can be so inhospitable and contentious, especially the politically-driven Christian and Muslim iconoclasts. In modernity, the overtly religious are abjectly pretentious and often times they omit to practice the principles of their creed.

[Orzmund]

It's not like there is some female sex slave waiting for me.

Wrong. There definitely is.
Probably not as attractive as you expect, and not in your close surrounding. But there quite a lot of modest and humble single muslim females who dream to marry a righteous muslin man

I don't go out enough to refute this from an objectively anecdotal viewpoint, and I certainly have not studied the statistics regarding the state of Islam in the West, but I think you're wrong. The West is secular in its industry, government, and institution, which means girls are no longer raised up on the conventionally traditional and conservative beliefs and customs of Abrahamic religions. This divorce from religiosity indisputably benefits women as it serves to safeguard their civil freedom and prosperity; furthermore, I deign to imagine a wholly sensible, pragmatic woman who would forgo this security in imitation of traditional ideals. If you want to change the tides, you must revoke women's civil privileges granted by the modern constitutions of the West.

[Vincent]

It's not like there is some female sex slave waiting for me.

Wrong. There definitely is.
Probably not as attractive as you expect, and not in your close surrounding. But there quite a lot of modest and humble single muslim females who dream to marry a righteous muslin man

I don't go out enough to refute this from an objectively anecdotal viewpoint, and I certainly have not studied the statistics regarding the state of Islam in the West, but I think you're wrong. The West is secular in its industry, government, and institution, which means girls are no longer raised up on the conventionally traditional and conservative beliefs and customs of Abrahamic religions. This divorce from religiosity indisputably benefits women as it serves to safeguard their civil freedom and prosperity; furthermore, I deign to imagine a wholly sensible, pragmatic woman who would forgo this security in imitation of traditional ideals. If you want to change the tides, you must revoke women's civil privileges granted by the modern constitutions of the West.

how?

[Orzmund]

Wrong. There definitely is.
Probably not as attractive as you expect, and not in your close surrounding. But there quite a lot of modest and humble single muslim females who dream to marry a righteous muslin man

I don't go out enough to refute this from an objectively anecdotal viewpoint, and I certainly have not studied the statistics regarding the state of Islam in the West, but I think you're wrong. The West is secular in its industry, government, and institution, which means girls are no longer raised up on the conventionally traditional and conservative beliefs and customs of Abrahamic religions. This divorce from religiosity indisputably benefits women as it serves to safeguard their civil freedom and prosperity; furthermore, I deign to imagine a wholly sensible, pragmatic woman who would forgo this security in imitation of traditional ideals. If you want to change the tides, you must revoke women's civil privileges granted by the modern constitutions of the West.

how?

"Hat man sein Warum des Lebens, so verträgt man sich fast mit jedem Wie."

[Supremo gentiluomo]

It's not like there is some female sex slave waiting for me.

Wrong. There definitely is.
Probably not as attractive as you expect, and not in your close surrounding. But there quite a lot of modest and humble single muslim females who dream to marry a righteous muslin man

And you have one?

In your case seems you’re financially capable to start a family, while I’m still earning

[Supremo gentiluomo]

It's not like there is some female sex slave waiting for me.

Wrong. There definitely is.
Probably not as attractive as you expect, and not in your close surrounding. But there quite a lot of modest and humble single muslim females who dream to marry a righteous muslin man

I don't go out enough to refute this from an objectively anecdotal viewpoint, and I certainly have not studied the statistics regarding the state of Islam in the West, but I think you're wrong. The West is secular in its industry, government, and institution, which means girls are no longer raised up on the conventionally traditional and conservative beliefs and customs of Abrahamic religions. This divorce from religiosity indisputably benefits women as it serves to safeguard their civil freedom and prosperity; furthermore, I deign to imagine a wholly sensible, pragmatic woman who would forgo this security in imitation of traditional ideals. If you want to change the tides, you must revoke women's civil privileges granted by the modern constitutions of the West.

The west is over. Significant power holder states aleready islamified. It’s a matter of 5-10 years being whole europe under Shariat.

[Vincent]

The west is over. Significant power holder states aleready islamified. It’s a matter of 5-10 years being whole europe under Shariat.

The statistics don't really support this claim, do they? Percentage of muslims in Germany, for example, is just 6-7%. (Search in Google: germany percentage of muslims)

[VH911]

The west is over. Significant power holder states aleready islamified. It’s a matter of 5-10 years being whole europe under Shariat.

The statistics don't really support this claim, do they? Percentage of muslims in Germany, for example, is just 6-7%. (Search in Google: germany percentage of muslims)

They are younger than the average population. And only the young generation matters. therefore it is higher. probably atleast twice as much

[Orzmund]

Wrong. There definitely is.
Probably not as attractive as you expect, and not in your close surrounding. But there quite a lot of modest and humble single muslim females who dream to marry a righteous muslin man

I don't go out enough to refute this from an objectively anecdotal viewpoint, and I certainly have not studied the statistics regarding the state of Islam in the West, but I think you're wrong. The West is secular in its industry, government, and institution, which means girls are no longer raised up on the conventionally traditional and conservative beliefs and customs of Abrahamic religions. This divorce from religiosity indisputably benefits women as it serves to safeguard their civil freedom and prosperity; furthermore, I deign to imagine a wholly sensible, pragmatic woman who would forgo this security in imitation of traditional ideals. If you want to change the tides, you must revoke women's civil privileges granted by the modern constitutions of the West.

The west is over. Significant power holder states aleready islamified. It’s a matter of 5-10 years being whole europe under Shariat.

I dislike Islam and would hate to see Europe continue to destroy itself in an attempt to satisfy liberal idealism, but the States of Europe have fallen into the clutches of despicable politicians who foolishly believe themselves exempt from the same persecution their citizenry now face at the hands of immigrants. It wouldn't surprise me if the daughters of these politicians have already been sexually coerced, beaten, raped, or even killed by emigrated Muslims and Indians.

Caucasians are pathetic now, they just want to appeal to liberal sentimentality and short-sighted economic profits at the cost of their dignity and prosperity: the race serves to be an example of a race (as it stands today) too sentimentally charitable and guilt-ridden to reaffirm its destiny for greatness.

[Orzmund]

The west is over. Significant power holder states aleready islamified. It’s a matter of 5-10 years being whole europe under Shariat.

The statistics don't really support this claim, do they? Percentage of muslims in Germany, for example, is just 6-7%. (Search in Google: germany percentage of muslims)

I think those institutions responsible for statistically recording the population of migrants and non-Caucasian citizens fabricate and misrepresent the data, especially in England and France.

[Vincent]

I don't go out enough to refute this from an objectively anecdotal viewpoint, and I certainly have not studied the statistics regarding the state of Islam in the West, but I think you're wrong. The West is secular in its industry, government, and institution, which means girls are no longer raised up on the conventionally traditional and conservative beliefs and customs of Abrahamic religions. This divorce from religiosity indisputably benefits women as it serves to safeguard their civil freedom and prosperity; furthermore, I deign to imagine a wholly sensible, pragmatic woman who would forgo this security in imitation of traditional ideals. If you want to change the tides, you must revoke women's civil privileges granted by the modern constitutions of the West.

The west is over. Significant power holder states aleready islamified. It’s a matter of 5-10 years being whole europe under Shariat.

I dislike Islam and would hate to see Europe continue to destroy itself in an attempt to satisfy liberal idealism, but the States of Europe have fallen into the clutches of despicable politicians who foolishly believe themselves exempt from the same persecution their citizenry now face at the hands of immigrants. It wouldn't surprise me if the daughters of these politicians have already been sexually coerced, beaten, raped, or even killed by emigrated Muslims and Indians.

Caucasians are pathetic now, they just want to appeal to liberal sentimentality and short-sighted economic profits at the cost of their dignity and prosperity: the race serves to be an example of a race (as it stands today) too sentimentally charitable and guilt-ridden to reaffirm its destiny for greatness.

Overall Islam is better than Christianity. Christianity is just pathetic tbh.

[Vincent]

I think those institutions responsible for statistically recording the population of migrants and non-Caucasian citizens fabricate and misrepresent the data, especially in England and France.

That is an interesting claim. Also my anecdotal evidence seems to support what you say since it seems there are way more muslims than they claim there are. But subjective experience can also be deceptive, so I don't know. They certainly make up a proportionally larger share of the young population.

[Orzmund]

The west is over. Significant power holder states aleready islamified. It’s a matter of 5-10 years being whole europe under Shariat.

I dislike Islam and would hate to see Europe continue to destroy itself in an attempt to satisfy liberal idealism, but the States of Europe have fallen into the clutches of despicable politicians who foolishly believe themselves exempt from the same persecution their citizenry now face at the hands of immigrants. It wouldn't surprise me if the daughters of these politicians have already been sexually coerced, beaten, raped, or even killed by emigrated Muslims and Indians.

Caucasians are pathetic now, they just want to appeal to liberal sentimentality and short-sighted economic profits at the cost of their dignity and prosperity: the race serves to be an example of a race (as it stands today) too sentimentally charitable and guilt-ridden to reaffirm its destiny for greatness.

Overall Islam is better than Christianity. Christianity is just pathetic tbh.

Why?

[Vincent]

Overall Islam is better than Christianity. Christianity is just pathetic tbh.

Why?

Because christcucks all worship women. Many muslims also worship women, but at least there is some muslim countries who keep their women in check.

[Assad]

If I, as a westerner, converted to Islam, there are no immediate benefits to me. It makes no difference to me.
I don't get more women, or money, or anything else. Rather, I isolate myself from others who are mostly christian or atheist.

I see only the negatives: Now I need to pray 5 times a day, eat no pork, don't listen to music, don't drink, and blow a lot of money to travel to mekka. But where are the benefits? It's not like there is some female sex slave waiting for me.dude are you kidding me you don’t convert to a religion so u can have sex or get anything from it you convert because it is the truth u lazy dork

Maybe if some islamic militia was nearby and about to take over I would convert, because at least then there is some benefit to doing it. But as a westerner, I really don't see any benefits.

[Sustacel250]

Problem I have with islam is I dont know it intimately. I mean, i can listen to a number of perspectives, some can show islam favorably. Some perspectives show islam badly. And oftentimes both are true at the same time, given there are so many islam variants.

Like, till now I know there is a lowIQ islam variant, very arab, very shitty and made for LowIQ, but there is also a highIQ variant that contains lots of greek thought. i cant approach either of the 2, because im not a muslim. I would be at best a convert who is attracted superficially to one or the other depending what is there in my local community.

I already had dialogs with muslims, and none of them is "based" n the way the forums present them. And they seem pretty OK and moral to me, and they didnt give me a bad impression.

my main issue is just lack of familiarity. Instead I have much more intimacy and familiarity with christianity, which allows me of course to criticize it more accurately and differentiate various christians. to attain similar level of familiarity for islam, i would need to spend a decade in it, also i dont believe in god. Factor also I dont believe god, and why would I believe the jewish one if I had to pick a god?

and lastly I dont convert for social reasons. I dont conver to "get pussy". I will never do that. If someone deals with me he has to respect me, not toss me bones or offer me food like im a dog, or offer me to fuck a pussy. I will get offendd if you try.