Are you guys islamists here?

[Devoteecel]

I'm really not a fan of islam, and I don't think I ever will. I have my criticisms for islam, and I just see as a third-world brown religion. I agree with islam on things like beating foids, executing kikes, fags, and troons, and having slaves, but those are the only things I agree with islam. The rest of islam is cringe because they forbid you alcohol, pork, and music which are some of the good things I enjoy in life, so I wouldn't see myself as an islamist. I also see islam is a zoophilic and pedophilic religion because they fuck goats and children as young as 9 years old, so I really consider that degenerate behavior, their prophet was brown, so there comes the degeneracy. I also don't agree with the stupid clothings and bears of islam, mudslime beards look so dirty af, the clothings men use look so uncomfortable to use, and how are men supposed to see hot foids if foids need to be covered under hijabs, niqabs or burqas?

I am personally more a fan of Christian Nationalism and Nazism despite me being an atheist. Christian Nationalism has less restrictions on things you can consume, and at the same time you make foids your slaves and servants without having to fully cover them, so that way you can see if they are hot. Plus mixing Christian Nationalism with Nazism is a good weapon to get rid of the kikes who ruin society. I also dislike mudslime immigrants, I think all of mudslime immigrants should stay in Palestine or Afghanistan doing their brown people shit.

[Darth_aurelius]

I'm really not a fan of islam, and I don't think I ever will. I have my criticisms for islam, and I just see as a third-world brown religion. I agree with islam on things like beating foids, executing kikes, fags, and troons, and having slaves, but those are the only things I agree with islam. The rest of islam is cringe because they forbid you alcohol, pork, and music which are some of the good things I enjoy in life, so I wouldn't see myself as an islamist. I also see islam is a zoophilic and pedophilic religion because they fuck goats and children as young as 9 years old, so I really consider that degenerate behavior, their prophet was brown, so there comes the degeneracy. I also don't agree with the stupid clothings and bears of islam, mudslime beards look so dirty af, the clothings men use look so uncomfortable to use, and how are men supposed to see hot foids if foids need to be covered under hijabs, niqabs or burqas?

I am personally more a fan of Christian Nationalism and Nazism despite me being an atheist. Christian Nationalism has less restrictions on things you can consume, and at the same time you make foids your slaves and servants without having to fully cover them, so that way you can see if they are hot. Plus mixing Christian Nationalism with Nazism is a good weapon to get rid of the kikes who ruin society. I also dislike mudslime immigrants, I think all of mudslime immigrants should stay in Palestine or Afghanistan doing their brown people shit.

The answer is that it is very complicated. I personally consider myself to be a Muslim but I take the admonitions and dogmatic instructions of the Quran in a rather ala carte manner so that while I do believe in the whipping of insolent whores, the throwing off from buildings of faggots, troons and other sexual deviants and the beheading of jews, I haven't relinquished my affinity for alcohol or classical European composers from the 18th and 19th centuries. Islam is not the official religion of the IPF or the movement as we don't believe in coercively converting any of our comrades here though we do encourage the brothers to learn more about its finer theological points and to ultimately make a decision as to whether they may be prepared to embrace the faith themselves.

As for what I envision once we have properly consummated the Glorious Incel Revolution, it shall be a socio-cultural milieu which infuses elements of fundamentalist Salafi teachings and National Socialist ideology, something of a blending between the Caliphate of ISIS and the Third Reich. Take the time to read the novel I wrote and published myself and which can be found here for greater insights into precisely what we envision: https://mensrights.space/category/ideology/

[VH911]

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[Supreme Misogynist]

I just see as a third-world brown religion.

There's no such thing as "brown religion".

I also see islam is a zoophilic and pedophilic religion because they fuck goats and children as young as 9 years old,

Both zoophilia and pedophilia are strictly forbidden in Islam. Just because some people who call themselves muslims engage in these disgusting activities doesn't mean Islam condones it. Catholic priests are notorious for abusing children, does that make Catholicism a pedo religion? Of course not. As for the 9 year old thing, Islamic sources state that Mohammed's wife Aisha was post-pubescent and was mentally mature enough to understand what marriage is and what it entails. This means that she was eligible for marriage and not a child.

their prophet was brown, so there comes the degeneracy.

Jesus was a brown jew and his teachings dictated the course of Western civilization for almost two millennia.

I also don't agree with the stupid clothings and bears of islam, mudslime beards look so dirty af, the clothings men use look so uncomfortable to use,

Your beard doesn't have to be long and dirty, just don't be clean shaven. Some Arabs grow long beards because it's a tradition. Islam encourages sexually dimorphic traits in both genders to prevent sexual degeneracy and confusion. A short haired woman who acts masculine can invoke lust in other women and a beardless man who acts feminine can invoke lust in other men. This is exactly what we see today in the modern West.

[Vincent]

Both zoophilia and pedophilia are strictly forbidden in Islam.

As for the 9 year old thing, Islamic sources state that Mohammed's wife Aisha was post-pubescent and was mentally mature enough to understand what marriage is and what it entails. This means that she was eligible for marriage and not a child.

So a 9 year old is not a child? It says that she used to play with dolls in the presence of the prophet.

Narrated `Aisha:

I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ كُنْتُ أَلْعَبُ بِالْبَنَاتِ عِنْدَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَكَانَ لِي صَوَاحِبُ يَلْعَبْنَ مَعِي، فَكَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِذَا دَخَلَ يَتَقَمَّعْنَ مِنْهُ، فَيُسَرِّبُهُنَّ إِلَىَّ فَيَلْعَبْنَ مَعِي‏.‏
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6130
In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 157
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 151
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https://sunnah.com/search?q=aisha+dolls

I just find it absolutely hilarious how many muslim countries now have an age of consent of 18, while their prophet had sex with a 9 year old. Indonesia, the most populous country in the world, is castrating child sex offenders, meanwhile their prophet had sex with a 9 year old. So if Muhammad was alive today and did what he did, they would castrate their own prophet those fucking idiots.

[Supreme Misogynist]

The rest of islam is cringe because they forbid you alcohol, pork, and music

Alcohol= Alcohol clouds your mental faculties. It also damages your organs in the long term. Alcohol consumption is strongly linked to seven different types of cancer.
Pork= Pigs eat their own feces and are the only known species in the animal kingdom to lack mate-guarding instincts. You are what you eat.
Music= Imposing restrictions on music is not a uniquely Islamic idea. Ancient Greeks and many other ancient civilizations also placed restrictions on what kind of music their citizens are allowed to listen because they knew about the profound effects of music on human psychology. Besides, Islam doesn't forbid music completely. Nasheeds and some other forms of music are considered permissible.

and how are men supposed to see hot foids if foids need to be covered under hijabs, niqabs or burqas?

Why do you think you're entitled to gaze other men's wives and daughters with lust? How would you feel if someone looked at your mother or your sister this way?

Christian Nationalism has less restrictions on things

And this is exactly the problem. You want to save your civilization but you also don't want to sacrifice your comfort. You can't have both.

and at the same time you make foids your slaves and servants without having to fully cover them, so that way you can see if they are hot.

Majority of christian women wore hijab-like head coverings not too long ago. Also, Islam forbids slave women from covering their heads. Hijab/Niqab/Burqa is only for free Muslim women.

[Supreme Misogynist]

It says that she used to play with dolls in the presence of the prophet.

And? There are middle-aged men who collect and play with action figures and middle-aged women who still sleep with plushies. Should we treat them like they're legally children?

I just find it absolutely hilarious how many muslim countries now have an age of consent of 18, while their prophet had sex with a 9 year old. Indonesia, the most populous country in the world, is castrating child sex offenders, meanwhile their prophet had sex with a 9 year old. So if Muhammad was alive today and did what he did, they would castrate their own prophet those fucking idiots.

Because Western countries impose their cucked modernist laws to Islamic countries through economic and military threats.

[Vincent]

It says that she used to play with dolls in the presence of the prophet.

And? There are middle-aged men who collect and play with action figures and middle-aged women who still sleep with plushies. Should we treat them like they're legally children?

9 year old girls who play with dolls are children, we don't need to delude ourselves. It even says it here:

Chapter: To be cheerful with the people(81)باب الاِنْبِسَاطِ إِلَى النَّاسِ
Narrated `Aisha:

I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ كُنْتُ أَلْعَبُ بِالْبَنَاتِ عِنْدَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَكَانَ لِي صَوَاحِبُ يَلْعَبْنَ مَعِي، فَكَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِذَا دَخَلَ يَتَقَمَّعْنَ مِنْهُ، فَيُسَرِّبُهُنَّ إِلَىَّ فَيَلْعَبْنَ مَعِي‏.‏
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6130
In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 157
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 151
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"as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty"

I just find it absolutely hilarious how many muslim countries now have an age of consent of 18, while their prophet had sex with a 9 year old. Indonesia, the most populous country in the world, is castrating child sex offenders, meanwhile their prophet had sex with a 9 year old. So if Muhammad was alive today and did what he did, they would castrate their own prophet those fucking idiots.

Because Western countries impose their cucked modernist laws to Islamic countries through economic and military threats.

I agree with you on this point. I think muslims there are absolutely cucked and pathetic for allowing the west to pressure them into accepting their values and their belief systems. Even Saudi Arabia did it. It's pathetic.
Prophet Muhammad is supposed to be the role model for all human beings for eternity, so you can't argue that it was ok back then and now not anymore.

[Supreme Misogynist]

"as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty"

Mohammed married Aisha when she was 6 years old (presumably pre-pubescent) and waited until she was 9 (post-pubescent) to consummate the marriage. This is what this Hadith refers to. Case of Aisha was a special one and not the norm. Most women her age are not considered to be physically and mentally mature enough to be eligible for marriage by Islamic law. Other wives of Mohammed were all around his age. His first wife was 15 years older than him.

I agree with you on this point. I think muslims there are absolutely cucked and pathetic for allowing the west to pressure them into accepting their values and their belief systems.

Most muslim countries don't have the weapons and money to push back against the West unfortunately.There's also a lot of sectarian and racial feud. Islamic world still hasn't recovered after the loss of WW1 and the collapse of the Ottomans.

[Vincent]

Mohammed married Aisha when she was 6 years old (presumably pre-pubescent) and waited until she was 9 (post-pubescent) to consummate the marriage.

There is not a single Hadith that proves he waited for her to turn 9 to consumate the marriage, because she wasn't pubescent yet. This is some shit that muslims made up to appeal to western values. Also it was perfectly normal back then, although of course many would also marry older. But that doesn't mean it wasn't normal then.

Other wives of Mohammed were all around his age. His first wife was 15 years older than him.

His other wives being older changes absolutely nothing.

Most muslim countries don't have the weapons and money to push back against the West unfortunately.There's also a lot of sectarian and racial feud. Islamic world still hasn't recovered after the loss of WW1 and the collapse of the Ottomans.

They absolutely could push back, considering the vast numbers of muslims around the world. But they have become westernized cucks.

[Supreme Misogynist]

There is not a single Hadith that proves he waited for her to turn 9 to consumate the marriage,

Yes, Hadiths don't say it in those exact words but we do know that Aisha was 9 and post-pubescent when she had intercourse with Mohammed for the first time. And we also know that she was 6 when they married so we can fill in the blanks ourselves.

This is some shit that muslims made up to appeal to western values.

Appeal to Western values? Average person in the West is a turbo-liberal who thinks that 17 year old women are infants and the age of consent should be raised to 21. How does saying Aisha was 9 appeal to them?

Also it was perfectly normal back then

No it wasn't. Aisha married young even for the standards of the Arab world at the time.

His other wives being older changes absolutely nothing.

It goes to show that the case of Aisha was an exception, not the rule.

[Supreme Misogynist]

They absolutely could push back, considering the vast numbers of muslims around the world. But they have become westernized cucks.

I agree that westernization is a serious issue but sectarian division, fervent nationalism, and lack of military strength are the main reasons why the Islamic world is so fragmented and powerless today. Sheer numbers don't mean much when you can't unite.

[Vincent]

aaah, now i need to find the sources for all that shit, so annoying

[Sustacel250]

I was told online in some communities I have an inclination that could make me appreciate islam. Broadly I think christians are wrong and mystics and philosophers are right.

Im not expert. In any case I tell my opinion. I think if I have to think of god I would assume is utterly transcendent beyond human faculties. So people online told me to read Al-Ghazali, Ibn Arabi and Al-Farabi which could suit my interests. I didnt take much time at all to expand upon this topic, but I did notice perhaps islam could be an interest avenue for improving my coping and so on.

Knowing myself I would probably not want to get too deep into it, and I wouldnt find any good reason to like islam as a political strategy. As a philosophy, sure is a nice one, I think it really is cool. As politics, no thanks.

[Vincent]

And we also know that she was 6 when they married so we can fill in the blanks ourselves.

No we don't fill in the blanks ourselves. Because then what happens is that you insert whatever the fuck you want to believe, based on our 21st century expectations. There can be a lot of different reasons why he didn't want or couldn't consummate the marriage immediately. I've read some time ago the reason, I think he was away or she was sick or something like that, but I'd need to dig that up again. Again, there is absolutely 0 evidence that he was literally waiting for her to menstruate, there is not one source that supports this, not one. And if there is, quote it, please. This is just you "filling in the blanks", or rather, trying to appease westerners. And yes, it is trying to appease westerners, because while it is still bad in western eyes, it is better than saying that it didn't matter whether she was prepubescent or not. The other thing is, that none of Muhammad's enemies used this fact of early marriage against him, hence it couldn't be something that was seen as bad back then. Thirdly, please cite your sources for it being unusual in any way back then.

And don't cite any modern sources, as they are usually cucked by western expectations. Try and cite Hadiths or any sources that are at least 300 years old.

[Supreme Misogynist]

Again, there is absolutely 0 evidence that he was literally waiting for her to menstruate, there is not one source that supports this, not one. And if there is, quote it, please. This is just you "filling in the blanks", or rather, trying to appease westerners. And yes, it is trying to appease westerners, because while it is still bad in western eyes, it is better than saying that it didn't matter whether she was prepubescent or not.

None of the Sahabah (close companions of Mohammed) or the Salaf (first three generations of muslims) neither practiced nor condoned intercourse with pre-pubescent girls. I don't know of a single Islamic fiqh scholar from the first thousand years of Islam who tried to justify intercourse with children based on Mohammed's marriage to Aisha. If you claim Mohammed practiced and condoned pedophilia burden of proof is on you.

[Vincent]

I don't know of a single Islamic fiqh scholar from the first thousand years of Islam who tried to justify intercourse with children based on Mohammed's marriage to Aisha. If you claim Mohammed practiced and condoned pedophilia burden of proof is on you.

Yeah and I never said they did. Why would they need to justify it if it wasn't something that needed to be justified (aka something acceptable back then).

You said it was not normal and that it was unacceptable for muslims back then to have intercourse with prepubescents. You made the claim. Then the burden of proof is on you, not on me. Also you haven't provided any evidence that that is why prophet Muhammad didn't consummate his marriage when she was 6.

[Vincent]

What I said is "there are no sources that support your claim, please cite your sources that support your claim" and what you replied is "there are no sources that support your claim". But you didn't cite any sources that support your claim (at least 300 years old).